Do you struggle with perfectionism? You're not alone! Colleen Carroll Campbell writes about her own struggle with perfectionism and how the saints helped her trade out her idea of perfection for God's. 

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Dr. Sarah Bartel (drsarahbartel.com) joins us to talk about her new book "A Catechism for Family Life," and her new endeavor "Canafeast.com" that serves as marriage enrichment and community for those in their first 15 years of marriage.

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Jonathan F. Sullivan, the director of parish ministries, services, and catechesis for the Diocese of Lafayette-in-Indiana, joins us to talk about the importance of discipleship in the home, and talks about his 5 part free webinar found at buildingabetterdisciple.tumblr.com.

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Jenna Guizar, Founder and Creative Director of Blessed is She (www.blessedisshe.net), joins us to talk about the Blessed is She network, the new Virtue focused devotional for Kids, Rise Up: Shining with Virtue, and the way we pass on the faith to our kids.

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Deacon Kevin Sartorius is the CEO of Catholic Charities of Eastern Oklahoma

MaryLynn Lufkin is the Director of Eastern Oklahoma Outreach and of Disaster Relief at Catholic Charities of Eastern Oklahoma.

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