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Jessica Keating, director of the Notre Dame office of Life and Human Dignity in the McGrath Institute for Church Life at Notre Dame, talks with us about St. Francis, Servant of God Dorothy Day, Worms, and the Dignity of the Human Person. It's a wide-ranging conversation that you won't want to miss!

An extra, unbroadcast segment is available at patreon.com/outsidethewalls

A Reading from St. Augustine

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